Once I first heard that Israeli civilians had been being massacred on the nation’s Gaza border, I considered my good friend Amir Tibon. Amir is an exceptionally proficient journalist who’s fluent in Hebrew, Arabic, and English, and who has devoted his life and abilities to humanistic protection of what can usually be a dehumanizing area. His writing contains award-winning reporting on efforts to attain a two-state answer and a biography of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

On Sunday, I didn’t know whether or not he was alive or useless.

That’s as a result of Tibon lives in Nahal Oz, a small neighborhood bordering Gaza that has no Iron Dome missile protection to guard it. On Saturday, it got here beneath mortar hearth from above and was invaded on the bottom by Hamas terrorists. Throughout their incursion into Israel, they murdered greater than 900 Israelis whereas brutalizing and kidnapping many others, most of them civilians. The loss of life toll is constant to rise.

Tibon and his household survived the indiscriminate slaughter, however solely after enduring a horrifying ordeal. Simply earlier than he put his two younger daughters to mattress tonight, we spoke about what occurred, how he was saved, why he thinks Israel arrived at this level, and what he want to see from the worldwide neighborhood within the days forward. Our dialog has been edited and condensed for readability.

Yair Rosenberg: What does your life appear like proper now?

Amir Tibon: I’m pleased to be alive. I’m pleased my household is alive. I’m staying with my prolonged household. I’m nervous sick about mates and neighbors who had been injured or kidnapped into Gaza. And I’m nervous about my nation.

Rosenberg: As a religiously observant Jew, I don’t use electronics or entry the web on Jewish holidays or the Sabbath, so by the point I logged on after two days offline, you had posted that you just had been protected and shared the harrowing story about what you and your loved ones skilled. Are you able to speak about what you endured?

Tibon: I’m pleased that you just missed the occasions as they had been taking place, as a result of it was a darkish day, actually the worst day within the historical past of the state of Israel. It’s Saturday, October 7. We’re in mattress, sleeping. I dwell with my spouse and two younger daughters in Kibbutz Nahal Oz. It’s a small neighborhood, 500 folks, positioned immediately on Israel’s border with Gaza. A good looking place, very resilient, very brave folks, with a really sturdy sense of neighborhood and togetherness. But it surely’s Saturday, six within the morning, and we hear a really acquainted sound: the sound of a mortar about to blow up. It’s like a whistle.

My spouse, Miri, instantly pushes me. We run from our bed room to what we name the protected room. In each home in our neighborhood and different communities alongside the border with Gaza, there’s a room that’s constructed of very sturdy concrete that may stand up to a direct hit from a mortar or a rocket. And in most households, that’s the place they put the youngsters to sleep each night time. So we run to the protected room the place our two daughters are: Galia is three and a half years outdated; Carmel is one and a half years outdated.

They don’t know that something is going on. We shut the door, and we wait. I imply, that is one thing we’re accustomed to. If you dwell on the border with Gaza, assaults like this occur on occasion. You wait generally an hour, you pack your baggage in the meantime, and when there’s a break of some minutes, you simply shove the youngsters within the automotive and also you go away from the border towards a safer place.

However this time, as we had been packing, I heard essentially the most chilling noise I’ve heard in my life. Automated gunfire within the distance. First I’m listening to this gunfire from the fields. However then I hear it from the street, then I hear it from the neighborhood, after which I hear it outdoors my window. I’m within the room with my spouse, and I hear the gunfire immediately outdoors my window, in addition to shouting. I perceive Arabic. I understood precisely what was taking place: that Hamas has infiltrated our kibbutz, that there are terrorists outdoors my window, and that I’m locked in my home and inside my protected room with two younger women, and I don’t know if anybody goes to come back to avoid wasting us.

That’s the way it began.

Rosenberg: One factor for folks to know: Nahal Ouncescould be very, very near the Gaza border. And that’s why you guys don’t have one thing like Iron Dome and why you’re within the protected room within the first place.

Tibon: Yeah, we’re so shut that Iron Dome, which is an incredible invention that protects giant elements of Israel from rocket hearth, is just not related in our space.

However I’ll inform you one thing. In a means, the truth that they shot the mortars at our neighborhood earlier than they broke by means of the border saved lots of people’s lives, as a result of it triggered folks to run into the protected room. And this protected room, for those who lock it correctly, could be very laborious to open from the skin. Lots of people had been barricaded in these protected rooms for hours and generally a whole day. In a number of instances, the terrorists tried to interrupt in, and so they couldn’t.

What occurred in our case was that we had been sitting there in the dead of night. A couple of minutes after we obtained in and we heard this gunfire, the electrical energy stopped. We had no meals. We did have some water. And we’re telling our daughters, “You need to be quiet now. You need to be completely quiet. Not a phrase. You possibly can’t cry. Can’t speak. It’s harmful.” And my women had been absolute heroes. They waited silently in the dead of night for 10 hours, and they didn’t cry. They understood. Perhaps that’s not the appropriate phrase, however they felt that we had been useless severe about this. So we’re with them in the dead of night, and so they’re utterly silent.

To start with, we nonetheless had cell reception. A short while later, there was no cell reception both. I texted my dad and mom, “There are terrorists outdoors.” We really thought they had been inside the home, as a result of they had been firing dwell ammunition into our home, and we heard it as if it’s inside. And we’re our group textual content with our neighbors, and everyone’s saying there are terrorists outdoors my home or inside my home.

I referred to as a colleague and good friend, Amos Harel, the veteran military-affairs correspondent for Haaretz. I instructed him, “Amos, there are terrorists outdoors my home, perhaps even inside.” And what Amos instructed me in reply was the scariest factor I heard. He mentioned, “Sure, I do know, however it’s not solely in your kibbutz; it’s not solely in Nahal Oz. It’s throughout southern Israel. It’s throughout. It’s in cities and in cities and in kibbutzim and in villages. 1000’s of armed Hamas fighters have infiltrated the nation. They’ve taken over army bases.” That was scary, as a result of I spotted that if that’s the scenario, it would take a really very long time for the army to come back and confront these terrorists and save us.

Rosenberg: Might you speak about how we obtained up to now?

Tibon: Sure, I need to say one thing about this failure of the army and of the federal government. Miri and I moved to this neighborhood in 2014, instantly after the conflict that passed off that summer season between Israel and Hamas, the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict. We had been residing on the time in Tel Aviv, a younger couple with no youngsters. And the communities on the Gaza border throughout that conflict suffered from Hamas’s use of assault tunnels into Israel. They mainly dug tunnels beneath the border. The fighters would emerge from underground on the opposite facet, and so they killed and kidnapped troopers. The scariest factor again then had been the tunnels. We got here initially to assist the neighborhood, and we fell in love with the place and determined to remain there.

However successive Israeli governments, all of them led by Benjamin Netanyahu, invested billions of {dollars}—I believe a few of them really from U.S. assist—in developing an underground wall to stop Hamas from utilizing these tunnels once more. This was a serious infrastructure venture for the state of Israel. And that venture allowed us to sleep at night time, as a result of you possibly can take care of rockets falling over your head you probably have a protected room in your own home, but when terrorists are infiltrating underground and so they can stroll into your neighborhood, that’s a sport changer. And so the rationale we may dwell there, and that’s true for everybody, is due to this underground wall that Israel constructed. And within the morning hours of Saturday, October 7, once we heard the gunfire outdoors our window, we realized that this venture is an utter and full failure.

Israel invested a lot in it, and what did the Hamas folks do? They took just a few tractors and SUVs, and so they ran over the border fence. We ready every little thing to make it inconceivable for them to come back from underground, and so they simply walked by means of the border. That could be a main, main failure. And so, bringing myself again to the dialog with Amos Harel, once I realized that that is the scenario throughout, that’s once I thought, Okay, we’re going to die right here. No person’s going to have the ability to are available time. And in the event that they handle to interrupt into the home, they’ll then attempt to break into the protected room. And in the event that they handle to do this, we will likely be useless or kidnapped.

Rosenberg: How did you finally get out?

Tibon: I referred to as Amos, however I additionally referred to as my father. My father is a retired common. He’s 62 years outdated. He lives in Tel Aviv. And my dad and mom instructed me, “We’re coming. It’s an hour-and-20-minute drive.” Now, this goes in opposition to all logic. However I instructed myself, Okay, proper now I’m asking my two younger daughters to place full religion in me and my spouse, of their dad and mom, to do what we’re telling them so as to save their lives, which is to be very, very quiet and perceive that we can not get out of the room, we can not go get meals, we can not go to the toilet, we can not exit to play, and I’m asking them to place their religion in me utterly.

And I instructed myself, I’ve to do the identical factor proper now. I’ve to belief my father, who’s a reliable man, that if he mentioned he’ll come right here and save us, he’ll do it. Solely many hours later, when my father arrived, did I be taught what had occurred that day to my dad and mom, which is an unbelievable story by itself.

My dad and mom began driving from Tel Aviv. They arrived within the city of Sderot, which is the biggest city within the border space. After they get there, they see folks strolling barefoot on the street. These are survivors from a music pageant close by, the place the Hamas folks got here early within the morning and massacred greater than 200 folks, individuals who got here to a music pageant. My dad and mom put the survivors of their automotive and took them farther away from the border. They’d already gotten to the border space, however they’re seeing individuals who need assistance, in order that they take them away. After which they flip round and so they proceed driving towards our space.

They cease in a close-by neighborhood that’s near the border, however not as shut as we’re. And my father convinces a soldier who’s standing there and on the lookout for a means to assist to come back with him to Nahal Oz, to my kibbutz, so as to kill terrorists and save households. They drive towards the kibbutz, however alongside the way in which, they see a army power being ambushed by Hamas fighters. They get out of the automotive. My father is retired; he doesn’t have military-grade weapons. In Israel, in contrast to in America, residents can not purchase AR-15s, and I’m glad for that. However my father has a pistol with him, and he and this different soldier be a part of the troopers who’re combating the Hamas cell, they assist kill them, and now they’re very near my kibbutz. They’re 5 minutes from the doorway to my kibbutz, however two of the troopers are wounded. And once more, my father has to show round. He places the wounded troopers in his automotive with the assistance of that different soldier who joined him, and so they return to the place my mom is.

My mother takes the wounded troopers along with her of their automotive to a hospital. My father sees one other retired former common, Israel Ziv, who’s nearer to 70 than 60. However Israel placed on his uniform and got here like a daily soldier down south to attempt to assist. My father tells him, “Israel, I don’t have a automotive. My spouse is taking the wounded troopers to the hospital to avoid wasting them. I have to get to Nahal Oz, the place my household is barricaded. My granddaughters are there. Take me to Nahal Oz.”

These two guys over the age of 60 are driving in a daily automotive. It’s not even a Jeep or one thing. It’s not an armored car. It’s only a automotive, like folks tackle the New Jersey Turnpike on their strategy to work within the morning. They’re driving now on the street the place half an hour earlier there was a lethal ambush of troopers. They each have weapons. My father took weapons from the wounded troopers, who gave them to him as a result of he instructed them, “I’m going again in.”

They reached the doorway to the kibbutz. And after they get there, they meet a bunch of troopers from particular forces who’re about to start the very harmful strategy of going from home to deal with in our neighborhood to attempt to interact the terrorists and launch the people who find themselves barricaded. By that time, I don’t know that each one of that is taking place. We’re within the protected room. The terrorists are nonetheless outdoors. And we have now no cell reception. Now we have no telephone battery. We’re simply ready in the dead of night.

However we begin listening to gunfire once more—and this time, it’s two sorts of weapons. And we notice there’s a battle. We notice that there’s an alternate of fireplace. And I inform my spouse, “He’s coming. My father is coming. They’re combating. He’s with these troopers.” They didn’t come instantly to our home. They went from home to deal with, neighborhood to neighborhood, inside our neighborhood. I don’t keep in mind how lengthy it took.

We had been simply listening to the gunfire getting nearer and nearer. The women had fallen asleep, however now they awoke. I believe it’s 2 p.m. They haven’t had something to eat since final night time. There’s no mild, and we don’t have cellphones anymore, so we are able to’t even present them our faces, and there’s one sentence that’s protecting them from falling aside and beginning to cry—I’m telling them: “Grandfather is coming.”

I inform them, “If we keep quiet, your grandfather will come and get us out of right here.” And at 4 p.m., after 10 hours like this, we hear a big bang on the window, and we hear the voice of my father. Galia, my oldest daughter, says, “Saba higea”—“grandfather is right here.” And that’s once we all simply begin crying. And that’s once we knew that we had been protected.

Rosenberg: I need to transfer from the private to the political a little bit bit. You’re employed for a Tel Aviv–primarily based liberal newspaper. Most individuals assume you reside in Tel Aviv, however you don’t. You moved to Nahal Oz, and also you instructed me you had been impressed to go there after you first visited it as a journalist, following one other conflict with Gaza, throughout which the neighborhood had been rocketed repeatedly. And but, you met folks there who had been Israeli patriots nonetheless dedicated to the place and to peace and who wished to seek out one thing higher, regardless that they maybe had extra cause than anybody to mistrust the long run. I do know you share that religion, however I’m questioning the way it feels proper now. Is that religion ever shaken?

Tibon: The politics of our space, of the Gaza-border space, could be very attention-grabbing, and it’s a microcosm of politics in Israel. The kibbutz communities, like mine, are very left-leaning. And the big city within the space, Sderot, which additionally went by means of a horrible, horrible catastrophe, is definitely rather more right-wing and spiritual and supportive of Netanyahu. So there’s this break up. However we’re on this collectively. It’s true that there’s this divide, however we’re each affected by these similar circumstances proper now. And I believe lots of people are going to reexamine every little thing as soon as it’s over.

I really like my neighborhood. I really like my neighbors. I’m happy with them for his or her resilience on this horrible day. What we went by means of is just not a novel story. That is the story of a whole area in Israel.

I’m ashamed of my authorities. We had a contract with the state that communities like ours defend the border. Because of this folks dwell there. We defend the border with our presence there. It is a basic technique of the state of Israel for the reason that earliest days of the nation, {that a} border that doesn’t have civilian communities and civilian life alongside it won’t be correctly protected.

We saved our a part of the contract. We lived on the border. We went by means of troublesome conditions generally, with mortars and with using incendiary units to set fires within the fields. When you dwell in a spot like Nahal Oz, you get up each morning and you recognize there are folks on the opposite facet of the border who need to kill you and your youngsters. And so the contract was: We defend the border, and the state protects us.

And this authorities, which is the worst authorities within the historical past of the state of Israel, led by a corrupt, dysfunctional, and egoistic man who sees solely himself—Benjamin Netanyahu—failed us. There have been warning indicators that this may occur. The army and the intelligence companies warned that Israel’s neighbors had been seeing the inner divide within the nation over the federal government’s disastrous plan to get rid of the powers of the judiciary. There are stories popping out as we converse that Egyptian intelligence warned Netanyahu just a few days in the past that Hamas was planning one thing large on the border.

The way in which that the occasions of the day unfolded is the worst failure within the historical past of the state of Israel. I imply, folks like my father, like Israel Ziv and different retired officers, needed to come down to avoid wasting residents, to attempt to save their very own households and others. In the meantime, the army is falling aside, and all of the civilian infrastructure that’s purported to assist the army and society in such an occasion can be not functioning.

Pay attention, proper now we have now to win this conflict. Now we have to destroy Hamas. Now we have to make it inconceivable for them to ever, ever once more conduct something that’s even near what occurred on Saturday. No nation on this planet can permit one thing like this to occur to its residents and simply return to enterprise as traditional. I really feel very dangerous for the folks of Gaza. I’m heartbroken. However this was our 9/11.

After we win the conflict and we eradicate Hamas, there will likely be time additionally to throw into the dustbin of historical past any politician, beginning with the prime minister, who had something to do with this failure. However that’s a dialog for tomorrow. Right now it’s about saving our residents and destroying the enemy’s capacity to do one thing like this ever once more.

Rosenberg: Tomorrow, what occurs to Netanyahu?

Tibon: To start with, we have now to win the conflict. That is an important factor. After the conflict, I imagine the individuals who went all the way down to struggle and to rescue their households, and the individuals who have family members kidnapped inside Gaza, and the individuals who misplaced their houses—these folks won’t permit this authorities to remain yet one more day. The protests that Israel noticed within the final 12 months are going to be a youngsters’s sport in comparison with the anger of the general public after this. However proper now it’s about profitable the conflict.

Rosenberg: This isn’t over. That is ongoing. There are folks held hostage. What do you count on now from the U.S. and the world?

Tibon: To start with, I used to be relieved to see the very, very sturdy dedication of President Biden, verbally but additionally in motion, in sending U.S. army forces to the area and making clear that if every other actor within the area is confused, the US will assist Israel if somebody is attempting to make use of this second of disaster within the flawed means.

There’s the difficulty of the Israelis who’re kidnapped, a few of whom are twin residents of different nations. And on this, as somebody who covers diplomacy, I believe the language actually issues. You possibly can say, “Hamas is accountable for their destiny.” That’s, you recognize, the same old diplo-speak. However the sentence I hope to listen to from nations, together with the US but additionally others, is: “We count on their rapid launch.”

These are residents, okay? Nearly all of them should not troopers. There are numerous ladies there. There are kids; there are aged folks. And I believe the worldwide place ought to be that they have to be instantly launched. That is what I hope to listen to.